OOP Re: Mono
dzonatas at dzonux.net
Thu Jan 31 10:03:45 PST 2008
Mark Meijer wrote:
> On 31/01/2008, Lawson English <lenglish5 at cox.net> wrote:
>> Dzonatas wrote:
>>> A full OOP does not use bytecode.
>> What does SmallTalk use?
> Or Java, or C#, or managed C++, or Ruby, or Perl 6, or Python, or
> Squeak, or Lisp, or Io, or Self...
Those are subsets of OOP, as they mainly are a language that provides a
subset of OOP functionality. The language itself is flat. Flat as in a
flat-file database. Just because one can define classes and use
"object.method" call syntax does not denote a language as full OOP. In
fact, to have full OOP, one does not even need any of those languages.
> How does using bytecode have anything to do with whether a language
> supports full OOP or not?
Because... OOP goes beyond the language itself. OOP evolves the
environment. There are several ways to use a language that has class
definition, but none offer intrinsic control of the environment. One
can have a language/script/diagram/etc based just on available methods
from the environment and not a single bytecode needs to be encountered.
When bytecodes are defined, then the ability to dynamically use the
methods of the environment become limited to just those bytecodes. Full
OOP require dynamic compilers that use no bytecode basis. That doesn't
mean that bytecode won't exist at another level in the OOP environment.
> And here's another question... Is Dzonatas a troll? To wit, this is
> the guy who also objected to using the words parent and child in OO
> terminology... Which is his right, of course. But one starts to
Are you a troll for this next bit?
Mark Meijer wrote:
> To quote RMS:
> "It is a bad thing to use the term "intellectual property"
> anywhere.The mere use of that term carried a harmful confusion:
> namely,that copyright law, patent law, trademark law, and various
> other laws are similar issues and should be grouped together."
Is it ok for RMS or you to interject a use of a term?
Everyday, I live the injustice that our courts have brought upon my
family and ruined any intimate upbringing that families toutedly get to
share. If you are one to even think I am subhuman or even think that I
must of done something wrong to deserve all the years of lost time with
my family -- think again. I have taken the issue to the people, in
support groups, in counseling, in walks, but I am just one voice. I have
been apart of the effort to attempt to bring fairness in family law to
the ballot, but I have not much funds to buy signatures like others. I
have been much much louder all over the net about the issue that are
happening in our courts. You don't know until it happens to you.
Blindsided by injustice and left to struggle to even try to have a bit
of happiness as others share.
Perhaps -- no actually I do know -- it is just like RMS said as harmful
confusion -- so I ask to respect the words 'parent' and 'child' because
maybe I value something that has been taken away from me... and somehow
trying to find hope and a solution.
I don't need pity. Until the injustice is over, I will say my peace to
make sure it is known what is happening. I'm sure people want their
everyday happiness and go on like their is no problem, but this is an
issue that grows and grows and grows. What do you expect me to do? Say
nothing? Do nothing? Everyday is a day I could have been with my kids.
It is not easy to stay calm and fake a smile when I see so many god damn
opportunities that people could do to make a difference. I point them
out and make sure it is known.
People believe there is a war going on. Why is it so hard to believe
that our court system is not frakin perfect! What stupid mind think the
war is isolated just to iraq and iraqians? You know how many excuses
I've heard to try to justify reasons for the war? You know how many
excuses I've heard to try to justify the reasons for my kids being taken
All those missing pictures you see on milk cartons and such, do you call
those people trolls? My motive is similar, my kids are stolen and people
tried to justify it legally... the simple fact remians that they have
been taken away from me and not a single judge can find any evidence of
wrongdoing on my part. It's like the war... how does it stop?
When does the harm stop?
It might happen to you. I care.
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