[opensource-dev] TPV - Nope
marinekelley at gmail.com
Sat Apr 3 09:06:17 PDT 2010
This is a sad day. I remember the times when you were indeed the most
prolific contributor, when your own third-party viewer was the toast of SL,
and the SL viewer has benefited greatly from your work. I think everyone can
thank you for that (and everyone has !).
And I'd like to thank you for helping me get started on my project back in
Best of luck for whatever next project you will work on,
On 3 April 2010 15:51, Nicholaz Beresford <nicholaz at blueflash.cc> wrote:
> Hi All!
> Since the TPV and new TOS seems to be in effect now, I'd like to finally
> comment on it too.
> For those of you who don't know me, I'm the person who started the first
> thrird party viewer (in fact I made the original Wiki page
> and as it appears I'm still the person with the most accepted patches to
> the viewer (except maybe SnowGlobe commits, I'm not sure if or how they
> are counted) and the winner of the year 2007 Linden OpenSource Award.
> I have not made viewers in quite some time and have basically resigned
> over gripes about how the Lindens handle open source and the OS
> community in general, so I'm not sure if my words still have any weight
> (not that any resident's words have any weight with the Lindens, except
> Stroker Serpentine's maybe, when they are voiced through a lawyer or
> court). So just take my words as coming from the elder statesman armchair.
> However, I still had my account and a couple of alts, but this new
> TOS/TPV, now that's it's out of the box about to be in effect soon, puts
> the final nail into the coffin.
> I'm not going to try to dissect what's written there or what the
> practical legal impact is. Living in Germany with strong customer
> protection laws, legal impact in fact is most likely zilch, but what the
> TOS and the TPV does, is to show the Linden's view of their relationship
> beween themselves and their residents and OS developers.
> While it's not a secret that I have been less than thrilled by their
> views and actions in the past, I find the TPV taking it to a new level.
> It is their servers, their assets, their business. But trying to use
> their power in a way like this, dictating the terms, making far reaching
> demands and lightly brushing off concerns is unacceptable.
> Of course a viewer maker needs comply with the law, no TOS is needed for
> that. But making demands like the branding (as if the word "Life" was
> their invention) or demanding disclosure like section 8d which goes far
> beyond any legal obligations is just way over the top for me.
> I took their sources based on GPL once and at that time alternate
> viewers seemed to be welcome and later I even jumped through a few hoops
> to meet their new whims (e.g. complying with their trademark policies).
> In the recent past, I have still used SL on occasion as a regular user
> and now, trying to use SL as a user, I'm finding myself being presented
> with new demands because my past viewers are still out there for download.
> Am I going to agree to that? No frigging way. I certainly do not want
> to have any relationship with a company who is trying to use their
> position of power in a way like that, no matter if it's legally valid or
> not. The new TOS/TPV defines who LL thinks they are and who they think
> their users are and what kinds of demands and claims LL thinks they can
> make or what they think is acceptable and fair.
> I can only recommend to every viewer maker and contributor to have a
> look at this broader picture and evaluate if their contributions in time
> and efforts are worthwhile. Mine where fun when LL was a different
> company, but there I no way I would have made contributions under the
> current terms. In fact I won't even log in again under the new terms
> and have canceled my accounts today.
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