[SLNP] Chatlog of Nonprofit Commons meeting featuring Daniel Moshel, director of "Login 2 Life"
rik at techsoup.org
Mon Oct 10 16:34:11 PDT 2011
*Daniel Moshel*, director of the new virtual world documentary* "Login 2
Life." * <http://www.login2life.net/>to the Nonprofit Commons. Here is the
full transcript of the meeting. Thanks everyone for participating! (FYI
Da5id Lusch is Daniel's alter ego in Second Life.)
An online version of this chatlog is here:
And a summary of just Daniel's comments is here
Thanks to DJ Earnshaw for sharing this chatlog with us.
*Nonprofit Commons Meeting October 7 2011*
2. TechSoup Announcements
3. Mentors Corner
4. Daniel Moshel, "Login 2 Life"
5. OpenMic/ Announcements
[8:31] Rik Riel: Welcome everyone to the Nonprofit Commons weekly meetup
[8:31] Gentle Heron: Hello Kate, Dancers, Aphilo.
[8:31] Rik Riel: I see a few new faces here, and some old friends
[8:31] Dancers Yao: Hello Gentle
[8:32] Rik Riel: So its great to be here with everyone
[8:32] Rik Riel: I'm Rik Panganiban , community manager of the Nonprofit
[8:32] HB Eternal: who is he calling old?
[8:32] Rik Riel: As you probably know, this is a very special meetup
[8:32] Gentle Heron: Hello Mia and Zotarah.
[8:32] Rik Riel: We are pleased to welcome Da5id Lusch, aka Daniel Moshel,
director of "Login 2 Life"
[8:32] Zotarah Shepherd: Hello Gentle
[8:32] Rik Riel: We'll be getting to him in a a few minutes
[8:32] Aphilo Aarde: Welcome DaSid
[8:32] Da5id Lusch: I'm pleased to be here. Thx for invite
[8:33] Rik Riel: But first as always we start with introductions.
[8:33] Francesca Barnes: Mary-Frances O
[8:33] Rik Riel: Please type into the text chat your real life name,
location, organization, URL, and Twitter handle, if you would like.
[8:33] Buffy Beale: Buffy Bye, Bridges for Women, Victoria BC Canada,
[8:33] HB Eternal: Harold W Becker, The Love Foundation, Florida, http://
[8:33] Zinnia Zauber: Renne Emiko Brock-Richmond, Sequim Humanities and
Arts Alliance, Sequim, Washington. http://www.sequimartsalliance.org http://
www.facebook.com/sequimartsalliance at renneemiko
[8:33] Chayenn Resident: monique richert, protect yourself , inc baltimore,
MD, protectyourself1.org , twitter.com/py1us
[8:33] Francesca Barnes: Mary-Frances O'Connor, UCLA
[8:33] Gentle Heron: Virtual Ability, Inc. http://www.virtualability.org
[8:33] DJ Earnshaw: Don Singleton, Tulsa, OK (DJ Earnshaw, Professor Viper)
HelpingTulsa and APCUG, http://snipurl.com/tk41d @donsingleton
[8:33] Rik Riel: This is for everyone here, and for our transcript that we
[8:33] Buffy Beale: ha HB slipping there today :)
[8:33] Em Ellsmere: Tina Walker, The ALS Association, www.alsa.org,
[8:33] Da5id Lusch: Daniel Moshel www.moshel.com
[8:33] Knoh Oh: John Norris http://john-norris.net
[8:33] Chad Mikado: Chad Gobert; National Service Inclusion Project (NSIP);
UMass Boston; www.serviceandinclusion.org
[8:34] Brena Benoir: Brenda Bryan, Preferred Family Healthcare, Kirksville,
Missouri, www.pfh.org, @brenabenoir
[8:34] Dancers Yao: Kara Bennett, Elder Voices, Los Angeles, Health Care
and Human Rights
[8:34] Rik Riel: I'm Rik Panganiban, TechSoup Global, in Oakland CA,
http://nonprofitcommons.org , @npsl @betterverse
[8:34] Parhelion Palou: Jerry Welbourn, TechSoup contractor & generic
volunteer, north of Baltimore, MD, no twitter
[8:34] Ronnie Rhode: Denise Harrison, The Garden for the Missing, http://
www.gardenforthemissing.org/ and SLURL
Project Jason, assistance for families of the missing,
[8:34] Rik Riel: There's nothing generic about Jerry!
[8:34] Aldo Stern: Geoff Giglierano, Missouri Humanities Council,
[8:34] Buffy Beale: yay Par!
[8:34] Mia Kitchensink: I am with Molaskey's Pub in sl
[8:34] Nany Kayo: Nancy McDonald, VirtualNativeLands,
[8:34] Buffy Beale: welcome Mia :)
[8:34] Thinkerer Melville: Selby Evans bilgger http://
[8:34] Kate Miranda: Kate Miranda, Music Island http://
musicisland.spruz.com "Real Music in a Virtual World"
[8:34] Mia Kitchensink: ty
[8:34] Jadyn Firehawk: Pixel to Pixel Foundation, in sl
[8:34] Aphilo Aarde: Scott MacLeod, World University & School (like
Wikipedia with MIT OCW), http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/World_University
(Twitter and much else:http://scottmacleod.com)
[8:35] Adalace Jewell: Corine Van Hellemont, RoSa Library Brussels,
Belgium, www.rosadoc.be, @adalace
[8:35] Buffy Beale: welcome Aphilo great to see you here, Thinkerer too and
Zot nice to see you again
[8:35] Zotarah Shepherd: BEACH College and working on an MA in Education
Technology at Sonoma State University in northern California.
[8:36] Coughran Mayo: Hey Kate Miranda is here!
[8:36] Buffy Beale: ooooo Yayy Kate!
[8:36] Kate Miranda: :-)
[8:36] Gentle Heron: well, so is Coughran!
[8:36] Rik Riel: Hi Coughran
[8:36] Kate Miranda: As they say in Open Space, everyone who needs to be
here is here
[8:36] Buffy Beale: :)
[8:37] Rik Riel: nice
[8:37] Buffy Beale: WOW here's my fav SL musician, the one and only
avantgarde! hey av :)
[8:37] Rik Riel: As we are finishing up introductions, let me tell you all
the ways to find the Nonprofit Commons on the interwebs....
[8:37] Rik Riel: Here are the many ways to can get involved with the
Nonprofit Commons in Second Life:
Nonprofit Commons blog: http://nonprofitcommons.org
Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/TechSoup-Second-Life
Google Calendar: http://bit.ly/2tMEYh
Weekly Networking Event: Wharf Ratz, Aloft, Tuesdays, 7-9pm SLT
Monthly Networking Event (1st Thursday):
Common Ground, Plush, 5PM-7PM SLT
NPC Promo Video http://bit.ly/draxtorNPCvid
[8:37] avantgarde Frequency: hi buffysan
[8:37] Rik Riel: ah and there is In Kenzo
[8:38] avantgarde Frequency: et al
[8:38] Buffy Beale: :)
[8:38] Gentle Heron: Hello Em, Avant, Francesca.
[8:38] Rik Riel: In Kenzo, I am going to call on you in a bit for any
[8:38] Rik Riel: But first lets' go to Mentor's Corner
[8:39] Aphilo Aarde: Hello In Kenzo :)
[8:39] Rik Riel: I believe Gentle is speaking on bealf of the mentors
[8:39] Buffy Beale: yes that's right Rik and while she's setting up, a
[8:39] Zinnia Zauber: Rah Gentle!
[8:39] Buffy Beale: that we meet following this meeting and all are welcome
to join in
[8:39] Francesca Barnes: Yeah, Gentle!
[8:39] Buffy Beale: if you have questions or need help or just want to hang
out and chat with us
[8:39] BlakeLandau Resident: Good morning @blakelandau here from @techsoup
[8:39] Buffy Beale: take it away Gentle :)
[8:40] Gentle Heron: Are we ready to learn about "Planning Effective Slides
[8:40] Gentle Heron: This mini-lesson is about designing an effective
professional presentation. It is not about the software you may use (often
PowerPoint), nor is it about the projection technology. We will not discuss
the best way to deliver a presentation in front of an audience.
[8:40] Coughran Mayo: ha ha
[8:40] Rik Riel: (excuse me while I change avatars....)
[8:40] Coughran Mayo: its about tie
[8:40] Coughran Mayo: time
[8:40] In Kenzo: Thanks everyone
[8:40] Gentle Heron: Rather our topic is the way you think about and design
the visuals that accompany the presentation. Your overall goal is to make
the content clear, relevant, and memorable.
[8:40] In Kenzo: Great to be here
[8:40] Gentle Heron: Hi InK!
[8:40] Gentle Heron: Remember, your PowerPoint slides are used to enhance
your overall presentation, not to replace you. So here are five ideas and a
rule of thumb to help you plan a presentation that uses slides.
[8:40] Gentle Heron: 1 Simple
It’s not a matter of keeping it simple. Often the information you will
convey orally is not simple.
[8:41] Gentle Heron: You must make your slides simple, no matter how
complex the information being conveyed.
[8:41] Gentle Heron: What is the gist of your presentation? You should be
able to summarize your message in about 15 words.
[8:41] Gentle Heron: You will be repeating these words throughout the
presentation. Then you will add details, explanations, and background to
what you show on the slides as you speak
[8:41] Gentle Heron: If it takes more than a few seconds to understand the
text on a slide, there’s too much text. The audience will spend its time
reading instead of paying attention to what you are saying. Trying to do
both at once means they will probably not do either thing well enough.
[8:42] Gentle Heron: Space around the text on your slide can help focus
audience attention. Fewer words can be as powerful as a barrage of
information. Bullets are optional in making a list.
[8:42] Gentle Heron: Charts and graphs can be so visually complex that they
become eye charts for the audience. What is the gist of the information
presented in the graph? Think how to show that point simply.
[8:42] Gentle Heron: 2 Consistent
Consistency among your slides helps your audience focus on your spoken words
rather than searching each slide for the meaning of its appearance.
[8:42] Gentle Heron: Consistency is easier to achieve than simplicity.
[8:42] Gentle Heron: PowerPoint offers simple templates that provide visual
consistency throughout your presentation. Choose a consistent theme for your
template, making sure the text is readable against the background.
[8:43] Gentle Heron: Use only one or two san serif fonts.
[8:43] Gentle Heron: These are the most legible types of fonts. San serif
fonts include: Arial, Century Gothic, Franklin Gothic, Tahoma, and Verdana.
[8:43] Gentle Heron: Choose a font you like, and use it consistently to
help your audience read your simple text quickly.
[8:43] Gentle Heron: 3 Focused
Your job as presenter is to change data into information, knowledge, and,
you hope, wisdom. This means that during planning, your primary job is to
focus the content.
[8:44] Gentle Heron: What result do you want your audience to attain?
[8:44] Gentle Heron: Focus on that goal. Be sure you can summarize it
simply. State it consistently. All the other information you provide is
[8:44] Gentle Heron: It is not your responsibility to be a resource library
on the topic. Rather, it’s important that you accept the responsibility to
funnel and filter, to focus your message. The best gurus offer simple
[8:44] Gentle Heron: This also means you must know your audience and its
[8:44] Gentle Heron: Think about your presentation from their perspective.
They will be! What did you include in your presentation that is uniquely
valuable for that specific audience? There’s your focus.
[8:45] avantgarde Frequency: "the traveler on the longest journey carries
the smallest pack"
[8:45] Gentle Heron: Good point Avant.
[8:45] Gentle Heron: Don’t trust your audience to draw their own
[8:45] Gentle Heron: The beginning and end of the presentation should be a
statement of your focus. Every good presentation is a sales presentation.
[8:45] Gentle Heron: When you begin talking, you are building the
infrastructure for your audience’s understanding. Create the framework at
the start of your presentation by beginning from a concise statement of your
[8:45] Gentle Heron: When you stop talking, you begin a dialog with your
audience, whether you have a formal Q&A or you simply leave them to think
about what you have said. Therefore it is important for you to simply
restate your focus as your conclusion.
[8:46] BlakeLandau Resident: interesting quote Avant.
[8:46] Gentle Heron: 4 Vivid
Each slide should convey one idea. Remember, your mission is to make the
presentation simple and focused. Yet with short simple text on a slide, once
your audience is done reading, what else will they be thinking about?
[8:46] Gentle Heron: We are a visual culture. Images draw and focus our
attention, and our stimulate thinking.
[8:46] Gentle Heron: Use images on slides to add an element of surprise.
The audience should think “Oh!” when viewing the image you’ve chosen.
[8:46] Gentle Heron: A good slide image isn’t simply a pleasant cosmetic.
It is on the slide to help the audience focus on what you are saying.
[8:47] Gentle Heron: Choose images that depict the content of your spoken
presentation, that extend and enhance the printed text. The visual images
you choose will create lasting mental images as they connect with your
[8:47] Gentle Heron: 5 Show, not tell
We’re a visual culture and we need the combination of oral and text content
and visual images for full understanding. This means you should not plan to
read your slides. That’s your audience’s task.
[8:47] Gentle Heron: Your slides provide a vivid, focused support, a
framework around which you fill in supporting details. The slides state the
ideas simply, and you illustrate them with stories and anecdotes.
[8:47] Gentle Heron: Stories help create emotional connections between
ideas. They can be both entertaining and informative. People expect a dry
presentation of facts leading to a conclusion when they read a research
[8:48] Gentle Heron: However, when attending a presentation, the audience
expects in some measure to connect with the presenter.
[8:48] Gentle Heron: The audience hopes you will show them information, not
tell it to them. The use of simple vivid stories helps your audience focus
on your message and remember it after you are finished.
[8:48] Kali Idziak: Jessica Dally, Community Voice Mail, Seattle sneaking
[8:48] Gentle Heron: 6 Rule of Thumb
I call this the 5-20-20-30 rule.
[8:48] Buffy Beale: lol Gentle that's a good one
[8:48] Gentle Heron: 5 main points
Less is more. Don’t put your entire spoken presentation in your slides. As a
rule of thumb, each slide should list a maximum of 3-5 main points. As you
speak, you will expand those points.
[8:49] Gentle Heron: 20 slides
If you will speak for an hour, 20 slides is the maximum you probably need.
Allow your audience to focus on simple text and vivid images as you tell
them the message you want them to remember.
[8:49] Gentle Heron: 20 seconds
That’s the maximum time you want your audience to use in absorbing the
content of the slide. You want them to focus on your words as you tell the
story that will help them remember your message.
[8:49] Gentle Heron: 30 point font
This rule of thumb has two purposes. First, it ensures legibility. More
important, it ensures simplicity. If you find yourself using smaller fonts
to squeeze in more words, you probably have too many words on the slide.
[8:50] Gentle Heron: That’s it in a nutshell. Planning the slides for your
presentation takes effort. You want your message to be focused and simply
stated. The slides need to be vivid, yet consistent in appearance. The
visual presentation shows what you mean by adding another sensory input,
while you tell your story.
[8:50] Gentle Heron: (I'm done!)
[8:50] Rik Riel: whew!
[8:50] Nany Kayo: good info!
[8:50] Rik Riel: that was a lot of info
[8:50] Francesca Barnes: Very interesting!
[8:50] Chad Mikado: Really great information, Gentle
[8:50] Knoh Oh: super use of flowers!
[8:50] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you Gentle! Awesome!!
[8:50] DJ Earnshaw: yea gentle!!!!!
[8:50] Francesca Barnes: Do you have the main points on a notecard, by any
[8:50] Da5id Lusch: thx a lot:-)
[8:50] Mia Kitchensink: nice
[8:50] Rik Riel: if you missed it, we'll be posting this to our listserv
[8:50] Gentle Heron: Yes I have this as a notecard if anyone wishes.
[8:50] Parhelion Palou: In 15 words or less?
[8:51] Gentle Heron: HAHAHA Par
[8:51] Rik Riel: In Kenzo, do you have any quick announcements for us?
[8:51] Chayenn Resident: yes please i would like ur note card
[8:51] Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: i would love a notecard please
[8:51] Chad Mikado: All, we just did a webinar on accessible electronic
documents and presentations. If you don't mind the shameless plug, please
see our archived webinar recording of it:
[8:51] Buffy Beale: that was fantantic Gentle great going!
[8:52] Buffy Beale: thanks Chad no plugs from our group here is shameless
[8:52] Dancers Yao: thx Gentle would like notecard also
[8:52] Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: ty gentle
[8:52] Buffy Beale: *are shameless
[8:52] Chad Mikado: cheers
[8:52] Rik Riel: No other announcements, In Kenzo?
[8:53] Rik Riel: Daniel, can you make your way to the stage
[8:53] CarynTopia Silvercloud: Caryn Heilman, Topia Arts Center,
www.TopiaArts.org, Bekshires, MA @topiaarts
[8:53] In Kenzo: I think we're mostly there
[8:53] In Kenzo: Nonprofits Live on COllaboration will be on 10/25
[8:53] Rik Riel: Draxtor, will you be joining him?
[8:54] Draxtor Despres: yes if you insist Rik!
[8:54] Draxtor Despres: :))
[8:54] Rik Riel: as they are coming down, perhaps you might want to watch
this quick trailer?
[8:54] Rik Riel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znOJCDXSAMI
[8:54] Draxtor Despres: oh oh
[8:54] Zinnia Zauber: Rah Daniel and Drax!
[8:54] Reinhold Waechter: yes yes yes
[8:54] Buffy Beale: cheering! oooo and Reinhold is even here!
[8:54] In Kenzo: Yay digital storytellers!
[8:54] Draxtor Despres: there is analog in the movie too :)
[8:54] Draxtor Despres: a little tiny bit
[8:55] Draxtor Despres: hihihi
[8:55] Buffy Beale: yay Draxie!
*LOGIN 2 LIFE*
[8:55] Rik Riel: Everyone please welcome Daniel Moshel , director of Login2
Life and Draxtor to the NPC
[8:55] Da5id Lusch: Gentle never wants to sit next to me...would you
[8:55] Draxtor Despres: just repeating Rik - there is a NEWS special
preview of the film
[8:55] Gentle Heron: The Draxtor fan club is out in full force today.
[8:55] Draxtor Despres: here at this URL
[8:55] Buffy Beale: yayyy
[8:56] Buffy Beale: Cheering for Gentle
[8:56] Aphilo Aarde: Yea, Drax!
[8:56] Draxtor Despres: no Gentle - this is YOUR fanclub and Daniel's!!!
[8:56] Kate Miranda: *•.¸'*•.¸ ? ¸.•*´¸.•*
[8:56] Kate Miranda: .•*?¨`• APPLAUSE !!! •¨`?*•.
[8:56] Kate Miranda: ¸.•*`¸.•*´ ? `*•.¸`*•.¸
[8:56] Mia Kitchensink: yay
[8:56] Draxtor Despres: they just don't know it!
[8:56] Draxtor Despres: My contribution is miniscule - let's let Daniel
[8:56] Buffy Beale: cheers for the film
[8:56] Rik Riel: And let's hear it for Gentle, who is one of the featured
subjects of the film!
[8:56] Reinhold Waechter: cheers to Daniel and Gentle!!!
[8:56] Reinhold Waechter: 5 years in the making
[8:56] Mia Kitchensink: woo hoo
[8:56] Aphilo Aarde: Yay, Daniel!
[8:56] Chad Mikado: it's really good so far
[8:57] Reinhold Waechter: and finally an adequate depiction of SL in the
[8:57] Knoh Oh: Yay!
[8:57] Da5id Lusch: thank you
[8:57] BlakeLandau Resident: nice ;-]
[8:57] Reinhold Waechter: i hope this comes to the US very soon!
[8:57] Gentle Heron: Yes Reinhold.... that's so important!
[8:57] Mia Kitchensink: me too!
[8:57] Reinhold Waechter: and World of Warcraft too - not everyone in these
worlds is an escapist!!!!
[8:57] Buffy Beale: yes Reinhold that's the best part for me, finally a
clearer picture of SL
[8:57] Rik Riel: Daniel, perhaps you might introduce yourself and tell us
what motivated you to make this film?
[8:57] Da5id Lusch: I hope so too. Any hints for distribution are
[8:57] Da5id Lusch: Ok I try to
[8:58] Francesca Barnes: Sorry, I can't run video today at the same
[8:58] Da5id Lusch: Everything started when the mmo World of Warcraft was
released and I subscribed. Immediately I was overwhelmed by the vast
territory and the huge range of possibilities to play the game with others.
[8:58] Kate Miranda: Actually I go to RL to escapt all my SL work :-)
[8:58] Da5id Lusch: In the 1st year I spent 30 whole days online. In this
time I watched lots of the machinima work on YouTube, and I was very
impressed by the variety and creativity of these flicks.
[8:58] Da5id Lusch: You could find music videos, spoofs on TV shows, short
films and ads made with game engines. The only thing missing was a
documentary. This fact and the question "Who is the human behind the
avatar's appearance?" formed the basic idea.
[8:58] Gentle Heron: (((Kate))) I know what you mean!
[8:58] Coughran Mayo: Kate: aye aye that
[8:58] Da5id Lusch: The second major point was that I missed in general a
documentary about people engaging in synthetic worlds which showed the
positive effects such worlds may bear within.
[8:59] Da5id Lusch: Intense research led to Second Life and that opened up
a wide horizon to me what is possible to reach engaging in 3d enhanced pixel
worlds. After the idea was shaped to a concept and script, the team grew, we
found our characters and we fought 5 long years to make this small
[8:59] Kate Miranda: I know you do (((Gentle)))
[8:59] Thinkerer Melville: I will post the presentation by Gentle on my
blog -- in a few days
[8:59] Da5id Lusch: HOpe this answered my motivation?
[8:59] Rik Riel: yes!
[8:59] Rik Riel: Wow, 5 years
[9:00] Da5id Lusch: yeah it's average fo a film is 4 in Austria
[9:00] Francesca Barnes: That's a heck of a gestation!
[9:00] Rik Riel: It must have been very difficult to make this complicated
kind of documentary
[9:00] Rik Riel: What were some of the main hurdles you faced?
[9:00] Da5id Lusch: First of all our whole team did NOT consist of big
player film biz names. For the decision makers, we were rookies with a good
idea and this is often is not enough to receive funding.
[9:01] Reinhold Waechter: we can be lucky that this film got made AT
[9:01] Da5id Lusch: Secondly the idea was born when the major Second Life
hype was fully in process. They said, “When the film will be done, the SL or
WoW hype will be over. Then nobody will be interested in your film anymore."
[9:01] Empoleon23 Resident: e ai td bom com vcs
[9:01] Da5id Lusch: They couldn't understand that it was not about SL or
WOW but about a new communication form which still is not a hype in the
majority of 1st world society.
[9:01] Rik Riel: very true
[9:01] Da5id Lusch: It took me 5 years from the idea till the finished
film. The odyssey started with the development funding.
[9:01] Empoleon23 Resident: they speak english
[9:01] Aphilo Aarde: (I'll add it, and the trailer, as reference to World
Univ & Sch's Virtual Worlds' subject page -
http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Virtual_Worlds - for further
[9:01] Da5id Lusch: It took us 2 years to get the means to kick start the
film. After that, we were able to find all the characters and develop the
[9:01] Empoleon23 Resident: i am to
[9:01] Da5id Lusch: After development was done, we were rejected concerning
theatrical release. We had to reorient, and found out that there was an
online proposal set up by a major German TV network dealing with the
subject “Login2Life” was about.
[9:02] Da5id Lusch: We entered the proposal and after 4 months of fighting
for pole position we were selected to receive funding, which made all other
funders follow (the so called avalanche effect).
[9:02] Da5id Lusch: Looking back I think the biggest problem was that we
were young filmmakers trying to make a documentary about a very young
[9:02] Rik Riel: nice!
[9:02] Mia Kitchensink: :D
[9:02] Buffy Beale: :) but that's useful sometimes to just jump in
[9:03] Chad Mikado: Just finished it... incredible
[9:03] Draxtor Despres: adding to this - since distribution is changing soo
much especially in the US
[9:03] Mia Kitchensink: Great video
[9:03] Chayenn Resident: yes just finished to watch it very touching
[9:03] Draxtor Despres: it has become so flexible in terms of the path
[9:03] Buffy Beale: yes it is touching and great going Aphilo!
[9:03] Draxtor Despres: that this could very well after festivals have a
[9:03] Draxtor Despres: in certain territories - especially arthouse in the
[9:04] Da5id Lusch: haha I'd like to see this
[9:04] Draxtor Despres: and in a way with iTunes, Netflix and Hulu -
theatrical is somewhat irrelevant
[9:04] Mia Kitchensink: me too
[9:04] Buffy Beale: Draxtor do you have any openings in SL happening?
[9:04] Draxtor Despres: ? Buffy?
[9:04] Rik Riel: we'll get to that in a minnute....
[9:04] Draxtor Despres: oops crashed
[9:04] Draxtor Despres: relogging
[9:04] Buffy Beale: streaming it here in SL
[9:04] Rik Riel: So you mentioned your motivation for making the film
[9:04] Da5id Lusch: yep
[9:05] Rik Riel: What are the main benefits virtual worlds and MMOs bring
to peoples lives?
[9:05] Rik Riel: in your opinino?
[9:05] Rik Riel: opinion?
[9:05] Da5id Lusch: It's funny that you are asking a rookie
[9:05] Da5id Lusch: While shooting the documentary, I realized that all
seven 'Login2Life' characters have one thing in common:
[9:05] Da5id Lusch: On long term you need to be sociable to sustain in
these worlds and it's interesting that the majority of society assumes the
opposite in judging people who are active in online worlds.
[9:05] Da5id Lusch: Accountable for this is the fact that 95 percent of the
media coverage focuses on portraying the dangers of this phenomenon which
for sure exist but they are not all-embracing.
[9:05] Da5id Lusch: People are adaptive and learn to deal with the dangers
without becoming a victim of the new communication and entertaining
platforms. If the mainstream view would change for the better, involved
people in general could talk more openly about their online activities
without having to justify themselves.
[9:06] Da5id Lusch: Secondly people contributing to other people always
gain more social awareness. Maybe the level of awareness will one day be the
same so that it doesn't matter if inworld or in real life, because both are
actually the same.
[9:06] Da5id Lusch: ...at least I think so.
[9:06] Rik Riel: nice
[9:06] Mia Kitchensink: Yes
[9:06] Ethelred Weatherwax whispers: Sorry I'm late. Dave Dexter, neenah
Historical Society, Wisconsin USA
[9:06] Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: agreed
[9:06] Rik Riel: Yes, that is our experience here as well.
[9:06] Gentle Heron: agreed
[9:07] Da5id Lusch: :-)
[9:07] Rik Riel: That the "virtual" is just as real as physical
[9:07] jaynine Scarborough: nods
[9:07] Rik Riel: and there is not giant wall between the two
[9:07] Rik Riel: (welcome back drax)
[9:07] Reinhold Waechter: Jaynine is here i thing?? OJaynine is here i
thing?? One of the other main protagonists in the film!
[9:07] Reinhold Waechter: WELCOME!!!!!!
[9:07] Francesca Barnes: I actually think you should send this to the Daily
Show. John Stewart can be remarkably willing to change his viewpoint.
[9:07] Da5id Lusch: Nobody here likes the word VIRTUAL, right?
[9:07] Rik Riel: Wow, another celeb from the film, nice!
[9:07] Draxtor Despres: i am back!@
[9:07] jaynine Scarborough: hello reinhold :-)
[9:08] Draxtor Despres: since the US market release comes after Eruo
premiere and festival circuit
[9:08] Rik Riel: (SL is lagging badly for me, so apologies for not seeing
folks in the audience)
[9:08] Draxtor Despres: we will be doing another big promo tour
[9:08] Rik Riel: Last of my main questions, and then we can get to audience
[9:08] Draxtor Despres: hopefully a few cool mainstream shows
[9:08] Draxtor Despres: like the Daily Show
[9:08] Rik Riel: Who do you see as the people who gain the most from being
in virtual worlds and MMOs?
[9:09] Draxtor Despres: or maybe Daniel at the Colbert Report???
[9:09] Da5id Lusch: We are getting older and older. Once I heard Alice
(Gentle Heron) saying "VAI is a group for the disabled and not yet
[9:09] Zotarah Shepherd: 47 people on the Map.
[9:09] Da5id Lusch: I think the main benefit is that we now have
communication devices which allow us to participate also when we become old
and less mobile.
[9:09] jaynine Scarborough: lol
[9:09] Draxtor Despres: [i want to see Daniel and Colbert battling it out]
[9:09] Da5id Lusch: That's it
[9:10] Alan Willowind: I'm new, what's the topic about?
[9:10] Draxtor Despres: topic is the upcoming SL/WoW doc "login2life"
[9:10] Draxtor Despres: Daniel here on stage is the director
[9:10] Buffy Beale: would it be possible for everyone in the film who is
here to stand in the front for a group photo? after you're finished
[9:10] Rik Riel: that's a fun idea
[9:10] Draxtor Despres: movie premiered 10/17 non German pub TV ZDF
[9:11] Draxtor Despres: and then streams for a week online before festival
[9:11] Buffy Beale: Alan see http://www.nonprofitcommons.org for more info
about what the meeting is about
[9:11] Da5id Lusch: Drax is my marketing machine. He is the best
[9:11] Draxtor Despres: hahahaha
[9:11] Draxtor Despres: i work for L$
[9:11] Draxtor Despres: :)
[9:11] Buffy Beale: yay Draxie!
[9:11] Draxtor Despres: the recession made me do it!
[9:11] Rik Riel: Anything else you wanted people to know about the film
before we open it up for questions?
[9:12] Da5id Lusch: I hope you#ll enjoy the film when you'll see it.
[9:12] Rik Riel: the film url is login2life.net btw
[9:12] Buffy Beale: hey Viale welcome :)
[9:12] Da5id Lusch: no nothing. open for questions:-)
[9:12] Draxtor Despres: i would add - please join the various groups and
follow us on twitter
[9:12] Rik Riel: and you can follow them at @login2life on twitter
[9:12] Draxtor Despres: we will puiblish the URL
[9:12] Da5id Lusch: yeah
[9:12] Draxtor Despres: for online streaming on 10/18
[9:12] Da5id Lusch: forget the marketing stuff
[9:12] Draxtor Despres: which is the day ZDF publishes it
[9:12] In Kenzo: nice
[9:12] Da5id Lusch: 17th of OCT
[9:12] Da5id Lusch: midnight CEST
[9:12] Draxtor Despres: well i just want folks overseas to see it :)
[9:13] Rik Riel: You can read my own review of the film on
[9:13] Draxtor Despres: only chance for now is online :(
[9:13] Da5id Lusch: My intention is to breakdown the zdf servers
[9:13] Buffy Beale: great Rik ty
[9:13] Draxtor Despres: hahahahaha
[9:13] You decline Science Friday @ Science School, Science School (23,
203, 28) from A group member named zazen Manbi.
[9:13] Draxtor Despres: YES
[9:13] Buffy Beale: lol!
[9:13] Rik Riel: ok we have time for a couple of questions from the
[9:13] Draxtor Despres: LET US KILL THE ZDF SERVERS
[9:13] Viale Linden: Nice image on the betterverse page
[9:13] Draxtor Despres: and show them that the future of content is ONLINE
[9:13] Buffy Beale: Question: will there be any celebration opening in SL
for us to attend?
[9:14] Lotta Flux: good idea Buffy!
[9:14] Rik Riel: great idea!
[9:14] Da5id Lusch: good question. Of course there will. but I can't tell
[9:14] Rik Riel: we're happy to host a party here
[9:14] You decline =BB= Builder's Brewery - DOCKSIDE CLASSROOM from A group
member named Auryn Beorn.
[9:14] Draxtor Despres: i have a qustion to Daniel - picking up from
Viale:will it be possible to release a few still photos from the film?
[9:14] Buffy Beale: and we know how to throw a party :)
[9:14] Aphilo Aarde: Daniel, What's your favorite synopsis of the film
online? URL? Is the film in http://wikipedia.org or http://imdb.com ?
[9:14] Da5id Lusch: I hope right after the film i screened in Sundance..If
it gets invited
[9:14] Mia Kitchensink: Yes
[9:15] Da5id Lusch: fav synopsis:
[9:15] Draxtor Despres: good question Ahilo!!!
[9:15] Draxtor Despres: someone gotta put it up on Wikipedia!!!
[9:15] Draxtor Despres: if it ain't there it ain't existing
[9:15] Draxtor Despres: should be on IMDB though
[9:15] Draxtor Despres: i will check [as the senior marketing oficer]
[9:15] Da5id Lusch: thomas should do the imdb thing but you know...
[9:16] Da5id Lusch: time is passing slower here in Vienna
[9:16] Draxtor Despres: in Vienna the time now is 1825
[9:16] Da5id Lusch: any questions?
[9:16] Buffy Beale: Question: I know it's early but do you see a follow-up
film to this one in the future?
[9:17] Mia Kitchensink: Definitely
[9:17] Da5id Lusch: you are not the first one asking
[9:17] Rik Riel: it should be a series
[9:17] Draxtor Despres: i have one - how hard was it to get folks to agree
to open up for the camera???
[9:17] Da5id Lusch: Right now I'm looking for topicws
[9:17] Draxtor Despres: SL residents are famously guarded about their
privacy [not me but others]
[9:17] Aphilo Aarde: (I haven't been able to get Wrold Univ & Sch up on
Wikipedia because we haven't had any 3rd party coverage yet -
[9:17] Buffy Beale: yes there are many stories in SL, if we have a
suggestion where do we send it?
[9:17] Da5id Lusch: You can send suggestion to my mail adress
daniel at moshel.com
[9:17] Buffy Beale: thanks
[9:18] Da5id Lusch: ty
[9:18] You decline =BB= Builder's Brewery - DOCKSIDE CLASSROOM from A group
member named Auryn Beorn.
[9:18] Buffy Beale: was there any time you thought this is a bad idea?
[9:18] Da5id Lusch: I'm glad to do get some hints...
[9:18] Alan Willowind: why isn'st the voice turned on?
[9:18] Buffy Beale: we don't use voice here Alan, just chat
[9:18] Nany Kayo: Hard question, Buffy!
[9:18] Knoh Oh: Have you gotten much feedback from people who have never
been in-world? Does this film make them want to try?
[9:19] Rik Riel: We don't use voice for our events here, to increase
accessibility and to have an archive
[9:19] Buffy Beale: you can see our other meetings on the web site link I
[9:19] Rik Riel: oo good questions!
[9:19] Aphilo Aarde: Any way of guaging to what degree more folks< like
those represented in the film, have come into virtual worlds?
[9:19] Da5id Lusch: hmm
[9:19] Nany Kayo: Who has worked very hard and not wondered whether they
were wasting their time.
[9:19] Da5id Lusch: Actually I showed the film maybe to 10 persons directly
[9:20] Da5id Lusch: I don't know.
[9:20] Da5id Lusch: I hope we'll see after it is broadcasted the 1st time
[9:20] Francesca Barnes: Me sense a social psychology research project...
[9:20] Draxtor Despres: rephrase the question Aphilo? not sure what you
[9:21] Aphilo Aarde: the film is young ... but I'm curious if anyone
disabled has seen it and gone into SL as a consequence
[9:21] Draxtor Despres: no Aphilo - since the film has not aired yet
[9:21] Da5id Lusch: not yet because it hasn't been broadcasted
[9:21] Draxtor Despres: but I am certain that a lot of "stakeholders" will
see the possibilities
[9:21] Coughran Mayo: that's just a technicality Drax
[9:21] Mia Kitchensink: That will be a wonderful thing.
[9:22] Gentle Heron: People do come into SL because they are disabled,
[9:22] Nuala Foxchase nods. "I've met a few."
[9:22] Draxtor Despres: the film clearly shows how SL can enhance the lives
of many diverse people
[9:22] Aphilo Aarde: Have other similar/related films had a similar
consequence, which similar audiences you could then reach?
[9:22] Rhiannon Chatnoir: once you do the digital release, are you planning
on putting it out to other RL film festivals or open to doing screenings in
[9:22] Draxtor Despres: in many ways - and that was evident at the press
conference in Munich - NOT VERY MANY have even heard about SL much
[9:22] Zinnia Zauber: I have shared your preview at lectures and it has
inspired non - virtual worlds types to look more into what can be done here.
Thank you for that.
[9:22] Knoh Oh: (If there was a specific SLURL to an orientation area
associated with the film, that might allow one to track.)
[9:23] Nuala Foxchase: Likewise elderly people enjoying the fact they can
be as active or as playful as they like without people judging by
[9:23] JoJa Dhara: @Rhiannon good question ..indeed luv to see that
[9:23] Zotarah Shepherd smiles at Gentle: Thanks in large part to Virtual
[9:23] Draxtor Despres: and by that I mean strangely enough have not even
heard/or forgotten about some of the hype in 06/07
[9:23] Aphilo Aarde: Agreed, Gentle .. I'm curious about new disabled
people coming in as a conseqence of seeing such as film as Loing2Life, and
how even to measure this.
[9:23] Aphilo Aarde: Yes, Knoh!
[9:23] Da5id Lusch: @Rhiannon: We plan to release it first on a major
festival after it is screened here in Germaany.
[9:23] Gentle Heron: Good point,Nuala.
[9:23] Rik Riel: TechSoup would be happy to help organize a showing of the
film in San Francisco (the home of linden lab)
[9:23] Draxtor Despres: so that is a very good thing I think personally!
The film starts with a clean slate in public perception for many! Yes, there
are typical preconceived issues you run in time and again but the public's
mind is FORGETFUL!!!
[9:24] Zotarah Shepherd: SF I would go.
[9:24] Rhiannon Chatnoir: would love to host it at SLCC of course and there
are also regional SL/Metaverse groups around the country and in Europe
[9:24] Nuala Foxchase: Personally, I think that the hype has worked against
it to some extent. Too many people seem either shocked because they didn't
realise it was still going when the hype died down, or else that it's just a
3D dating/sex simulator.
[9:24] Alan Willowind: <---------making a non profit movie for a non profit
[9:24] JoJa Dhara: @rhiannon me smiles ;-)
[9:25] Da5id Lusch: I'm overwhelmed with so many statements
[9:25] Da5id Lusch: nedd time ztoi read it sorry I'm slow:-9
[9:25] Draxtor Despres: @nuala but that is what I am saying: hype is long
past and the recent Login2Life events we did showed that folks do not EVEN
REMEMBER the bad things in that detauil :)
[9:25] Rik Riel: perhaps you can read them and respond more later?
[9:25] Rik Riel: We can share on nonprofitcommons.org and betterverse
[9:25] Alan Willowind: why doesn't someone turn on voice?
[9:25] Da5id Lusch: yes. I'd like to see the filme screened in SF.
[9:25] Nany Kayo: That is really insightful and inspiring, Drax
[9:25] JoJa Dhara: Da5id we just wanna show the outworld how great this
platform is!! ;-)
[9:25] Rik Riel: We don't use voice for our SL meetings at the NPC
[9:25] Da5id Lusch: I would be very thankful for this oppertunity
[9:26] Buffy Beale: that's great Alan maybe you can talk about it at one of
our other meetings here
[9:26] Gentle Heron: Thanks for that JoJa!
[9:26] Alan Willowind: when?, Buffy?
[9:26] Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: its easier to transcribe without voice
[9:26] Da5id Lusch: That's why I did the film
[9:26] Draxtor Despres: let's talk to Linden Lab about screening it in SF
[9:26] Rik Riel: Daniel, we are so happy you were able to join us today!
[9:26] Draxtor Despres: there is an org Rik and worked with
[9:26] Draxtor Despres: BAVC - they screened Life 2,o in SF
[9:26] Draxtor Despres: so all in due time!
[9:26] Rik Riel: And we hope that you can return again
[9:26] Aphilo Aarde: good idea, Drax!
[9:26] Da5id Lusch: It is an honour. Thank you that you invited me
[9:26] Draxtor Despres: Joja - do you guys get ZDF over the air in Holland?
[9:27] Francesca Barnes: Wonderful, wonderful work!
[9:27] JoJa Dhara: YESSSS!
[9:27] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you for creating something wonderful!
[9:27] Rik Riel: We will share more information about future screenings as
we hear about it
[9:27] JoJa Dhara: I am happy to see it!!
[9:27] JoJa Dhara: from ZDF channnel
[9:27] Draxtor Despres: please remember to join the in-world group or on FB
or Twitter follow
[9:27] JoJa Dhara: looking forward
[9:27] Rik Riel: let's thanks Daniel and Draxtor for speaking with us today
[9:27] Francesca Barnes: applauds!!
[9:27] Draxtor Despres: premiere = 10/17 + online stream for one week
[9:27] Adalace Jewell: will do Drax
[9:27] Mia Kitchensink: thank you
[9:27] Buffy Beale: Alan speak to Rik after the meeting
[9:27] Draxtor Despres: let us applaude Gentle
[9:27] Draxtor Despres: and Jaynine
[9:27] Da5id Lusch: Thank you folks that you appeared here. It's great to
see that there is a vast interest
[9:27] JoJa Dhara: ( or else i will trravel to Germany for it ;-)
[9:27] Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you
[9:27] talkwithmarie Resident: Thank you!
[9:27] CarynTopia Silvercloud: thank you. I enjoyed the trailer and will
look forward to seeing the entire doc
[9:27] Buffy Beale: standing ovation for Gentle!!!
[9:27] Draxtor Despres: and thank them for opening their hearts
[9:27] Draxtor Despres: for the film!
[9:28] Draxtor Despres: and Stroker as well
[9:28] Zotarah Shepherd claps
[9:28] JoJa Dhara: ~~?~~?~~?~~?~~?~~?
[9:28] JoJa Dhara: ~~?~~?~~?~~?~~?~~?
[9:28] JoJa Dhara: ~~?~~?~~?~~?~~?~~?
[9:28] Draxtor Despres: and the WoW guys
[9:28] Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: *****
[9:28] Da5id Lusch: yeah she deserves it all.
[9:28] HB Eternal: Amazing work
[9:28] Buffy Beale: and fo rthe film it's fantastic
[9:28] Zotarah Shepherd: ?(`'•.¸(`'•.¸ ? ¸.•'´)¸.•'´)?
[9:28] Zotarah Shepherd: ? ´•.¸¸.? *A*P*P*L*A*U*S*E* ?.¸¸.•`?
[9:28] Zotarah Shepherd: ?(¸.•'´(¸.•'´ ? `'•.¸)`'•.¸)?
[9:28] Draxtor Despres: [who are not here]
[9:28] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you!!
[9:28] talkwithmarie Resident: woot!woot! to the team!
[9:28] Nuala Foxchase applauds!
[9:28] BlakeLandau Resident: cheering
[9:28] Kate Miranda: I hope the film distro goes great
[9:28] Nuala Foxchase: Arf! Arf!
[9:28] Chayenn Resident: bravo
[9:28] Buffy Beale: can we have a group photo of all involved please
[9:28] Rik Riel: It's a very good documentary that I hope everyone will
watch and support and show to their friends who don't understand virtual
[9:28] Draxtor Despres: we can all make it great
[9:28] Draxtor Despres: by joining togehter
[9:28] Buffy Beale: yes we can Draxie
[9:28] Draxtor Despres: and when the time comes to US distribution
[9:28] Mia Kitchensink: I definitely will
[9:28] Draxtor Despres: DEMANDING IT on cable
[9:28] Da5id Lusch: hahah
[9:28] Draxtor Despres: and local theatres!
[9:28] Draxtor Despres: we can do this as a GRASS ROOTS effort
[9:29] Draxtor Despres: i am quite serious!
[9:29] Francesca Barnes: Agreed!
[9:29] Rik Riel: Perhaps daniel and people in the film could stand together
for pictures while we do our final Open Mic announcements?
[9:29] Draxtor Despres: IN Europe the situation is much different
[9:29] Da5id Lusch: Ok
[9:29] JoJa Dhara: thank you
[9:29] Gentle Heron: OK
[9:29] Draxtor Despres: but in the US there are many more possibilities!
[9:29] Da5id Lusch: here?
[9:29] Buffy Beale: it's time the public understood many of us are here for
serious business in SL
[9:29] Gentle Heron: Where do you want us Buffy?
[9:29] Rik Riel: yes perhaps to stage left?
[9:29] Buffy Beale: just up front so we can get the NPC sign in pls
[9:29] Rik Riel: I hope that isn't too confusing for people?
[9:30] Aphilo Aarde: I'm curious about regular screen filmings in Second
Life ... perhaps similar to seeing the trailer on youtube with this
conversation in SL for this Login2Life film ... And I'd like to do something
at WUaS with Shakespeare films, with regular screenings, and backchats -
http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Shakespeare,_William - How often do
screenings happen inSL?
[9:30] Deutsche Notecards Rucksack: Dispensing...
[9:30] Buffy Beale: that's perfect Thanks
[9:30] Buffy Beale: good there Gentle
[9:30] Da5id Lusch: laag...
[9:30] Draxtor Despres: ping me later about this Aphilo
[9:30] Gentle Heron holds still for Buffy
OPEN MIC / ANNOUNCEMENTS
[9:30] Rik Riel: meanwhile if you have something to announce for the
community, please say so and I will call on you in order
[9:30] Buffy Beale: are there others in the group here who are in the film
[9:30] Aphilo Aarde: will do ...
[9:31] Gentle Heron: aaugh Daniel crashed now!
[9:31] Buffy Beale: Draxie can you get there
[9:31] Buffy Beale: argh
[9:31] Buffy Beale: don't move anyone lol
[9:31] Rik Riel: BTW, I need you to type your name since I can't see names
[9:31] Rik Riel: Buffy, do you want to announce the mentors meeting?
[9:31] Buffy Beale: sure
[9:32] Buffy Beale: and Draxie it's ok you're an important part of it
[9:32] Buffy Beale: :)
[9:32] Da5id Lusch: crashed
[9:32] Buffy Beale: Welcome to all the new folks here, we meet every week,
follow the agenda on http://www.nonprofitcommons.org
[9:33] Buffy Beale: and we have a group here who will help anyone who has
questions or needs any help
[9:33] Buffy Beale: especially for our tenants but open to all
[9:33] Buffy Beale: so please do join us following a short break when this
[9:33] Buffy Beale: perfect
[9:33] Aphilo Aarde: (I'm looking for folks who would like to build a
virtual Harbin Hot Springs, somewhat topographically realistic, in a virtual
world ... please friend me here)
[9:33] Rik Riel: thanks buffy
[9:34] Zotarah Shepherd: ooo I have been to Harbin
[9:34] Buffy Beale: lol get a makeover Draxie
[9:34] Aphilo Aarde: :)
[9:34] Rik Riel: Quick announcment: its Breast Cancer Awareness month
[9:34] Reinhold Waechter: yeah!!!
[9:34] Reinhold Waechter: you need to go shopping Drax
[9:34] Francesca Barnes: I think Drax looks great!
[9:34] Rik Riel: head here for more info on Making Strides Against Breast
[9:34] Rik Riel:
[9:35] Rik Riel: we'll host a donation booth in the NPC soon
[9:35] Aphilo Aarde: (Here's a Nonprofit Commons ' transcript I saved about
World University and School -
[9:35] Aphilo Aarde: from 2010
[9:35] Mia Kitchensink: I crashed. Does anyone have the text from this
[9:36] Rik Riel: we'll post it to nonprofitcommons.org
[9:36] Mia Kitchensink: ok
[9:36] Zinnia Zauber: Please join us for CommonGround Networking Party is
Thursday, Oct 13, 2011 5:00 - 7:00 PM SL
[9:36] Rik Riel: and our listserv
[9:36] Buffy Beale: cheering for the film, and thanks for coming to speak
with us here, it's very exciting!
[9:36] Rik Riel: CommonGround rocks!
[9:36] Aphilo Aarde: I'll add Login2Life as reference to WUaS's Virtual
Worlds' wiki subject page -
http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Virtual_Worlds - where there are a lot
of Second Life references, too.
[9:36] Zinnia Zauber: Our party theme is "Totally Tartan" because we are
mad for plaid! Dress up and join the party!
DJ DyVerse Khaos-Steele will be spinning amazing tunes to dance to.
Freebies! If you visit the party location now, you will find some excellent
plaid party clothes donated by Shabby Chic!
[9:37] Zinnia Zauber: CommonGround a fantastical themed event to bring our
community together for awareness building and a fun networking.
[9:37] In Kenzo: Love Shabby Chic :)
[9:37] Buffy Beale: but a special cheer for our very own Gentle Heron who
is making such a difference with her Virtual Ability
[9:37] Mia Kitchensink: yay
[9:37] Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: whoot
[9:37] Knoh Oh: Yay!
[9:37] Buffy Beale: Gentle is one of our key mentors here!
[9:37] Chayenn Resident: bravo bravo gentle
[9:37] Francesca Barnes whispers: applauds!
[9:37] Zotarah Shepherd: Yay Gentle!!!
[9:37] Aphilo Aarde: :)
[9:37] Rhiannon Chatnoir: yay to Gentle :)
[9:37] Zinnia Zauber: YAY Gentle!
[9:37] Buffy Beale: standing ovation and cheering!
[9:37] Dancers Yao: thank you Gentle
[9:38] Aphilo Aarde: Yea, Daniel, Gentle, Drax!!!
[9:38] Rik Riel: okay any other white hot announcements before I let you
[9:38] Aphilo Aarde: Thank you!
[9:38] Rik Riel: If not, let me thank you all for coming today to the NPC
[9:38] Kate Miranda: bye all
[9:38] Mia Kitchensink: bye
[9:38] Zotarah Shepherd: Great meeting Thank you.
[9:38] Rik Riel: we meet here every week at this time to host great
speakers and have discussions on topics relevant to nonprofits and charities
and improving the world
[9:39] Rik Riel: Thanks especially to our guest Daniel Moshel
[9:39] Rik Riel: and kudos to Jaynine and Gentle for getting the film
[9:39] jaynine Scarborough: hugs and love daniel and draxtor :-)
[9:40] Rik Riel: have a fantastic Friday and weekend everyone
[9:40] Wytchwhisper Sadofsky: u2!
[9:40] Francesca Barnes: Bye, all@
[9:40] Chayenn Resident: u2 rik
[9:40] Rik Riel: Stick around for the Mentors group if you have stuff you
want help with
[9:40] Rik Riel: WOOT!!!!!
[9:40] jaynine Scarborough: thank you buffy :-)
[9:40] Alan Willowind: I'm staying
[9:40] Adalace Jewell: great meeting, thx all
[9:40] Buffy Beale: you're welcome jaynine :) thanks for coming here today
*Rik Panganiban* | SL Avatar: Rik Riel <https://my.secondlife.com/rik.riel>
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