[SLED] What do we lose

Marrapodi, Elisabeth EMarrapodi at Trinitas.org
Mon Apr 23 07:20:14 PDT 2012


Great reply.  I agree with most of what you said except for perhaps the
voicing.  Its been a while since I've been a student but I seem to
remember that we couldn't just blurt things out and talk over the
teacher, even on the college level.  So same could be done for an
in-world class where the students have their voice button turned off and
perhaps use some sort of signal (typed code or hand raising animation)
during or at the end of the lecture where the teacher could call upon
the student who then would use voice to ask their question.  I've taken
webinars where only the instructor could voice until we were given the
signal or capability of being able to talk.  I would think this a minor
obstacle, especially compared to the dyslexia disability for a text
based class.  


I don't know, does everyone just talk over each other and the teacher in
class these days?


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From: educators-bounces at lists.secondlife.com
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To: SL Educators (The SLED List)
Subject: Re: [SLED] What do we lose


I was going to phrase it slightly different but basically I agree with


"We" don't gain or lose anything universally. Each teacher and each
class and I suspect each student within each class will gain some things
and lose some things thanks to the teaching style and environment. 


This is pretty much true of real life teaching situations as well - I
remember as I'm sure many school science teachers will - teaching in a
science lab. There were too many students for each one to have a seat
and something to write on and to sit facing towards the front. The class
went OK but I can't help wonder how the people who had their backs to me
did compared to the people facing me and the board. I had a dyslexic
student in the group too, who I know perceived the class differently to
the rest and was happy when I started writing all the jargon terms on
the board to make sure she could see the right spelling without having
to ask.


I equally remember a class where I was a student that was suddenly moved
to a different lecture theatre. Everything was different, difficult and
in the wrong place. I don't have a clue what I was meant to learn that
day but I remember the class for how hard it was to learn in.


Teachers who rely on seeing students' faces will struggle. Those who
like lively oral debates may or may not. Those who like a more in-depth
discussion might find it's better because the medium allows for that.


Deaf students in a text-heavy environment might shine. If you stay
text-heavy then dyslexia is suddenly a rather public rather than a
private disability. If you use voice a lot I don't know what you gain
and lose - but I imagine a fair bit of talking over each other because
cues for turn-taking are harder to organise.


If you do things with modelling, prim or scripted, then you have a
relatively cheap environment to do it in. That has to be weighed against
the fact that you're learning non-industry-standard tools. If you're
working with modern languages you have a good chance for your students
to find native speakers to chat to and learn the current idiom. They may
also learn current text-speak. Things like brgd for obrigado/obrigada in
txt-spk Portuguese.


If you're teaching English you have ways for people to role-play in
certain environments: to explore Elsinor, to visit the Inferno, to walk
on the moon... and so on.


And if you're teaching maths none of this will probably matter to you...


So it's a question that I think is meaningless because it's just too




On 22 Apr 2012, at 20:55, Ed Lamoureux wrote:


On Apr 22, 2012, at 2:00 PM, educators-request at lists.secondlife.com

I'm wondering if you could help me to answer a question I was recently
asked. The question is 'What do we lose in virtual world education?'
educating through a VW instead of a face-to-face context).


Mediated  communication is NEVER equivalent to face-to-face
communication. There are ALWAYS pluses and minuses in each mode.

The factors in a teaching/learning situation are NUMEROUS, almost to the
point of infinite variety. 


Claiming that teachers don't use mediated methods (only or mostly)
because they are resistant to change, slow to adapt, not good with
technology, and the like, often misses many factors in the educational
equation while casting undue blame on, generally, thoughtful and
competent people.


Further, mediated communication environments are immature, relative to
face-to-face modes. Virtual environments . . . in the extreme. While
western culture has some old and new ideas about what works face-to-face
(and why or why not) we have MUCH LESS to go on regarding mediated
learning environments. 


I'm pretty unwilling to answer the question directly. Every single thing
one can say depends on an extraordinary number of contexts and
variables. Experience and research and analysis may, someday, enable us
to make educated reflections on the contours of the answer(s). For now,
I think about all we can say is that "it's complicated."





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