[SLED] Grey Goo, Scripts Disabled, etc.

Maris, Jo-Mae Jo-Mae.Maris at NAU.EDU
Tue Oct 10 16:53:40 PDT 2006


Thanks for the response.  However, I still don't understand.  My
grandson plays World of Warcraft.  I do not see how one would do
research, other than social or behavioral, in World of Warcraft.  To me
it appears to be a violent world that is not conducive to research or
collaboration on research projects.  I can not envision my research
partner and I discussing e-clinical research in World of Warcraft.  Just
as There.com does not give newbies tools to the kind of collaboration
that we need.  (Yes, I have investigated using There.)

 

I know that I am straying for the thread on attacks and how to prevent
them, but I am interested in how to use virtual worlds in education and
associated research.

 

Jo-Mae Maris

(928) 523-7403

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[mailto:educators-bounces at lists.secondlife.com] On Behalf Of Burcu
Bakioglu
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:44 PM
To: SL Educators
Subject: Re: [SLED] Grey Goo, Scripts Disabled, etc.

 

Jo-Mae,
I think what Jeremy meant that, because of WoW's popularity, some SL
researchers went there, not for other reasons like griefing.
WoW is quite bigger than SL, though I don't have the exact numbers in
front of me. It is a larger game all in all. 

On 10/10/06, Maris, Jo-Mae <Jo-Mae.Maris at nau.edu> wrote:

I have a question.

Jeremy said:

        i don't see why they are hurt, as i said, it is a sunk cost, the
island money is gone.  I actually don't see many people with islands
leaving.  I've not heard of anyone on the education list closing shop 
and going to There... though granted many people doing research have
moved to WoW because of its immense popularity

Is WoW World of Warcraft?  Why would researcher go to World of Warcraft?
Are they social or behavioral researchers? 

Jo-Mae Maris
(928) 523-7403

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Hunsinger
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:13 AM
To: SL Educators
Subject: Re: [SLED] Grey Goo, Scripts Disabled, etc.


On Oct 9, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Gavin Dudeney wrote: 

> Jeremy,
>
> I agree - wishlists or roadmaps are moveable feasts. I'd just be
> happy with
> one that addresses the griefing issue - and there have been some
> sensible
> suggestions on this list today.... 
>
> On the issue of people leaving and people coming in, perhaps we
> need to
> think of this in terms of quantity v quality. Who is likely to
> leave? My
> inkling is people who no longer get anything out of Second Life, 
> are tired
> with the grief, lag, whatever, bored with it going down, worried
> about their
> credit card details....

can't really do that, everyone is upon entering of the same
quality.   I'm not sure how many education islands there are, 
probably less than 30 would be my guess.   I'm not sure how many
islands there are, probably more than 1000 would be my guess.  i
don't think we have an issue of quality really, the quality seems to
be staying from what I've seen.  We'll see which institutional 
investors drop out in the short term, universities, colleges,
businesses, etc.  Personally, i don't think the quality community is
getting any smaller.

>
> Who stays? Well, certainly the griefers, who seem to getting the most 
> enjoyment out of SL at the moment, those with a lot of money
> invested who
> would be seriously hurt by leaving...

i don't see why they are hurt, as i said, it is a sunk cost, the
island money is gone.  I actually don't see many people with islands 
leaving.  I've not heard of anyone on the education list closing shop
and going to There... though granted many people doing research  have
moved to WoW because of its immense popularity
>
> And who arrives? Well, newbies, obviously - a mixed bag. But apart 
> from
> anything else, the potential 'brain drain' of older residents
> leaving and
> being replaced with newbies like me, and having the pleasure of the
> company
> of duelling, kissing and griefing to build on - where's the bright 
> future?

I don't see any of the real centers of knowledge leaving actually.
I've met quite a few of those folks and they seem to be doing pretty
well.  I think most of the people who leave are likely in the game/ 
world less than a month.  That has been my experience on my friends
list at least.  When i used to live next to yadni's I'd make friends
with people and they'd disappear.

> My imagination just isn't good enough to envisage how our current 
> situation
> improves without some drastic security steps.

I actually thing incremental steps and testing is a far better path
than drastic change.   There is a slow and steady development going
on and things are slowly being fixed here and there in a systematic
and clear fashion.

I think Jami and Aline hit it on the head, things are happening.
They are telling us that they are and we have a choice either to be 
patient and keep working or get frustrated and leave.  It really
depends more on each person's personality than ll in the end.

Jeremy Hunsinger
School of Library and Information Science
Pratt Institute 
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